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What do you think of Dumbledore now?

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Ok, since I'm currently re-reading Deathly Hallows I'll probably put up questions relating to the story as I get further in. To start us off I thought we'd get into a bit of a juicy one that I thought of whilest reading Chapter 2.

Question:

After learning much more about the past of Albus Dumbledore and learning of his mistakes, does this make you respect him more or less? Is Dumbledore a puppetmaster or just an old man trying to set things right? Who was more accurate- Elphias Doge or Rita Skeeter? What do you think of Dumbledore now?

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gububba
Aug. 3rd, 2007 09:45 pm (UTC)
(No one throw anything at me!) I actually like him more now. Everything we learned about him makes him more human and less Mary Poppins like. (Practically perfect in every way.) The truth about him and his past did not upset me. I have never really been all oh I love Dumbledore. I admit I didn't cry when he was killed in HBP. I liked finding out that he was human. It is like he says something like it is not whom we are born but what we become. (Sorry not going to go searching for the exact quote.

j_daisy
Aug. 3rd, 2007 10:40 pm (UTC)
I agree! *ducks rotten fruit* DH made him much more relatable to me... and also a lot more interesting! LOL. Scandals are fun to read about - as long as they don't involve any characters I absolutely adore. (If someone blashpemes McGonagal or Harry or Ginny, they are going *down*! :))
dis_netis
Aug. 4th, 2007 02:35 pm (UTC)
I agree about Dumbledore. A friend of mine reckons he's just been a 'puppetmaster' the whole time, manipulating people, which is true I think to some extent- he has used people (e.g. Snape) for the 'greater good'. But I think his experience with Grindlewald early on and Aberforth's disgust with him taught him a few lessons (including the fact that he shouldn't be allowed lots and lots of power). I really like that we learned all this about Dumbledore- now he's not an untouchable, mystical figure- he had his flaws, overcame them as much as he could and tried his best to be good in the end. I think it all comes down to choices in the end (as has been said many a time in the books)- Dumbledore had to choose to become the person he was- he could very easily had become a Grindlewald if it wasn't for his family.
dis_netis
Aug. 4th, 2007 02:36 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I forgot to answer the question. I think that I respect Dumbledore more for having to battle his inner demons and become this great man. It makes him more human and it makes it more realistic that he didn't just hatch into a fully formed wonderful wise old wizard.
cinda29
Aug. 4th, 2007 02:27 am (UTC)
I see him more as a man trying to set things right. One question I have, I never really did get what was wrong with this sister, at the end it was mentioned that muggles had treated her badly and their father had tried to get back at them and that is how he ended up in prison, but did I miss it or did the book not go into any detail as to what had happened?
dis_netis
Aug. 4th, 2007 02:26 pm (UTC)
I thought that it was implied that she was raped? Or at the very least abused by the muggles? It must've been something awful and very traumatic in order to warp her mind.
kerosinkanister
Aug. 6th, 2007 06:13 am (UTC)
I really loved the DD story in DH. I don't know as a like him more; certain actions in OOTP and HBP were, IMO, almost inexcusable, but it was great to see a very human and very fallible side to the man. I also really liked that Aberforth, at least from the little we saw of him, turned out to be twice the man DD ever was.

I'd say Rita Skeeter was a bit closer to the mark than Doge, which is pretty amusing, actually, given all we know of her credibility.
dis_netis
Aug. 6th, 2007 04:31 pm (UTC)
It is strange to think that for once Rita Skeeter had got a point. I think thats typical JK for you though- reinforce that this character's reporting is not to be trusted again and again and then make her write something that is close to the truth which we then think of as rubbish because of our past experiences with her.

I really liked the Aberforth stuff as well. I liked how in the end Aberforth was a better man than DD- simpler and rougher, yes- but it shows that brains and power don't necessarily make the man.
ryelle33
Aug. 8th, 2007 03:08 am (UTC)
I really liked/respected Dumbledore much more after DH. In the previous books I didn't like him - he was either a puppetmaster or a doddering old fool (lol), and he had little to no dimension to his character. He was all powerful and omniscient, and not at all real. however in this book we see that he's human. He was taken in by Grindelwald's views (enough to be his right hand man), he wasn't so great to his family... but he changed and eventually defeated Grindelwald. I think that I respect him more because instead of just saying 'the choices make the man', he's lived through that.
Of course, I still think he's a puppetmaster, and we have canon proof now. Everything he does is still 'for the greater good', and he was scheming even after his death. but I respect (& like!) the character much more after DH.
dis_netis
Aug. 8th, 2007 12:49 pm (UTC)
I like him more for his faults- its more realistic to think that he's not perfect, he's made his mistakes. I think he's actually a better character for having a bit of depth to him. And I agree with you that Dumbledore going through all his struggles makes him a better man- its not been an easy ride.

JK could've easily left him as the mystical 'gandalf/merlin' character who is essentially the wise old adviser and never has a backstory of their own- but I love that he's got a history (not a good one either) and that he's gotten past it in order to become a better man.
steelcitygirl
Aug. 9th, 2007 12:05 pm (UTC)
I think it makes him more human and there is another side to this extraordinarily, intelligent man who sometimes thought he was above others in terms of intelligence, but it shows that he does have flaws and we know now that it is something that regrets by not taking care of his sister. I think both Doge and Skeeter had accurate information, but Skeeter's was more cynical and in your face and she turned out to be pretty much right for once.
dis_netis
Aug. 11th, 2007 02:15 pm (UTC)
I think its partly to do with point of view. Doge knew the best side of Dumbledore and while there were skeletons in his closet he was still the man that Doge knew.
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